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Crystal O'Connor is the creator of 'Moxie Entrepreneur' and programs like High Ticket Mastery, Rich Fit and Happy and Ageless Ambition. Author of Unleash Your Moxie endorsed by Barbara Corcoran from Shark Tank. Crystal teaches women and small business owners all over the world how to create 6 & 7 figure incomes by applying online strategies to grow your database and business' presence.
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71 | Unlocking the Mysteries of Estrogen: Its Impact on Women's Emotional Health
What if your lack of desire, and your emotional detachment from your partner, were deeply influenced by one of your hormones?
Clinical hormone expert, Marie Hoag and I, unravel this intricate relationship between estrogen deficiency and its profound effects on a woman's emotional and mental state. We discuss how estrogen deficiency can cause women to become repulsed by sex and men. We also shed light on how estrogen is a key determinant in a woman's reproductive lifespan and how its deficiency might make them emotionally detached.
Prepare yourself for a revelation about a hidden protocol that has since become a medical standard for treating patients with high-dose estrogen. Marie and I discuss how maintaining the optimal level of estrogen can reverse the aging message sent to the brain, emphasizing its potential for a rejuvenating impact. We also touch upon the importance of an incident-free period and the benefits of restoring estrogen levels in women.
In the final act of our conversation, we delve into estrogen's potential to combat the effects of aging and prevent mental illnesses. We share our personal experiences and fears associated with estrogen deficiency and the physical and emotional toll it can take. Drawing to a close, we bring attention to an upcoming webinar for health coaches focusing on weight loss and the crucial role of hormone coaching. Tune in to this enlightening conversation as we journey together through the fascinating world of hormones.
Marie Hoag, clinical hormone coach, HRT physician educator, perimenopause and menopause specialist, and speaker has nearly 20 years of professional experience. I have worked directly with hormone therapy physicians and patients utilizing the most advanced and cutting-edge hormone replacement therapy approaches on the market.
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Welcome to the Rich, Fit and Happy podcast. I'm Crystal O'Connor, where we want to take you from drab to fab in this beautiful life. Let's go. Hello everyone.
Speaker 1:Okay, so if I haven't already said, I'm gonna do a series of podcasts with regular guest Marie Hoyt. She talks about menopause. She's at menopausemoxiecom and she is a clinical hormone expert. She's been working with women and with hormones, and men too, for over 20 years And she knows so much that it's just fascinating And she goes deep on this topic and it can change your life. So today I showed her a TikTok that was stitched of me. If you don't watch or play around with TikTok then you don't know what I'm talking about. But I made a TikTok and someone stitched it, meaning they had a rebuttal to what I was saying And this woman was so angry at me for saying something as simple as estrogen helps you like men and be nicer.
Speaker 1:She didn't like me saying that. Her rebuttal was so gross and mean and angry And most of it was towards men in general. She called them vile. She used the F word several times. She said some pretty disgusting things, But I don't think she was aware at all of just how disgusting she sounded. So I was showing Marie that and we were just talking about it, And then Marie explained what she's going to explain now and what the lack of estrogen can actually do to your mental state and how you can find men repulsive. That's not good when you're married.
Speaker 2:Hey Crystal. Yeah, we do have some very interesting conversations And that response that you got from TikTok is pretty normal for women who don't have estrogen. In fact that's pretty common in women who have been without estrogen for a while. So women actually typically when the FSH gets high and the longer a woman goes without estrogen, the higher the FSH gets. So a woman can be without estrogen and not be bitter. But as that FSH creeps up, then women tend to get very bitter and angry.
Speaker 2:They really don't like men And it's supposed to be that way, as we were talking before coming on here about it. But it's designed that way on purpose. So when women have plenty of estrogen, it softens who they are And it allows them to send out sexual and just positive pheromonal exchanges to the opposite sex. And it's typically reciprocated by men with higher levels of testosterone. So the higher the estrogen in the woman, the more testosterone sound men that they're drawn to, and so there's a chemical reaction and that chemical exchange that hormones allow women to be able to do with men. And when women lose estrogen, that pheromonal exchange declines. And not only does it decline, it can swing back to the other, opposite end of the pendulum where women will just be more repulsed at the thought of sex where they don't even want to want to have sex.
Speaker 1:So this woman seemed to like being in that state of anger And she was trying to convince others, and it reminded me of the reason I did my video in the first place, and that was that there is a TikTok video that gets in front of me And I'm not even following her, so I don't know how, but she's got a ton of followers And she is just one man-hating video after another And she's super condescending And she does seem to be repulsed by men. And so a man had asked her and she put the little comment you're able to put people's questions and comments on her video And she had to rebuttal to that. And the question from the man was do all women at a certain age just stop wanting to have sex? And she says yes, let me explain why. And she had all these reasons why She doesn't want sex anymore, and they had nothing to do with estrogen and everything to do with the men and how.
Speaker 1:She's just fed up. She's fed up, she doesn't have time for them And she has better things to do than to be with them. They both threw out a lot of blanket statements. What they'll do is they'll pick one or two men that they've had bad experiences with and act like. Those are all men. It's almost like they're enjoying the bitter of it. They're enjoying it.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a very large sisterhood of men hating women. But I can tell you that if you give any one of these women estrogen, it would change how they viewed men in a very short period of time. Estrogen softens women and how they see other people and how they see themselves in this world. So when women feel better about themselves and when they have their own libido and they feel young and have a sex drive and they're sending out a pheromonal exchange of being open for sexual activity, it just changes a woman's life And, like I mentioned, the longer a woman goes without estrogen, the more they get repulsed by sex and the more they despise men. And it's supposed to be that way. It's instinctual And, like I mentioned before, it's instinctual in a way that women are supposed to detach from their loved ones and not be in the reproductive game, so to speak, and estrogen dictates where a woman is in that process in her reproductive lifespan.
Speaker 2:And so estrogen, when it's deficient, allows, it doesn't allow. It makes women repulsed and they don't wanna interact with people. It keeps women from emotionally connecting with their children and with loved ones to the point where they will get detached from them and become socially isolated, where they've just hissed everybody out of their lives and then they're lonely. They blame everybody else. But I'm not joking when I say that you give these women estrogen and it changes them just within minutes minutes, i mean, it's mind blowing. I was not. Have you posted that video? Have you reposted? Is that on your page? Can people go there and see that? Because I have to tell you, that video was probably one of the harshest ones that I've heard in a long time.
Speaker 1:So it's not on my page, but I was notified So it's out there. It's on her page but it starts out with me, so part of it is me sharing my thoughts and she Can you put that link somewhere so we can share it.
Speaker 2:I think men don't really understand what's going on, and even kids don't understand what's going on with their mothers as they're aging. It's like what happened to you. It's like you're not even the same person. What's going on And this is a part that really frustrates me when I know about estrogen and what it can do for a woman And these women that are just left efficient, they live miserable, lonely lives. Not only that, they're dealing with the other side effects that estrogen deficiency brings The brain fog, the decline in executive function, lack of comprehension, insomnia, muscle atrophy, weight gain, inability to lose weight, joint pain. The vagina dries up. It shrills up into the vaginal abyss. I mean, it's a horrible way to live. I mean a woman dries up from head to toe her eyes, her mouth, her ears, her skin, her hair, her nails, her tissues. I mean her brain. Her brain and body are in a state of living decay. I mean you hear me talking about the living decay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, basically what you've explained sounds like it's just like one slow death once you're out of estrogen. And we're talking about estradiol, which comes from the ovaries, because the other estrogens some of your body makes, but it's weaker estrogen, right?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean estrogen's made it different throughout the body, but mostly from the ovaries. And then your gut is also responsible for some estrogen production, But the bulk amount of what women produces in their ovaries. And by then, once those ovaries shrivel up like raisins, there is no more production And that's a signal that gets sent to the brain that the woman is no longer in a reproductive prime and that her job now is to make way for the next generation. So the brain and body begin to deteriorate. So the goal and how I work and what I like to help women do as a clinical hormone coach is to prevent this decline from ever happening and to start hormone replacement therapy at the beginning of the decline.
Speaker 1:And you're saying something that nobody else is saying, and that is that it can be prevented.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and a lot of women say, oh, you can't do that And how can you say that Kind?
Speaker 1:of blew my mind when you first told me. however, i didn't say that I got excited, because I was like yeah, I want on that boat.
Speaker 2:Well, a lot of women who say why would I want to prevent menopause, i want to get rid of this period, or why would I want to get my period back, a lot of people don't really understand that the functionality of the menstrual cycle is a direct reflection on a woman's overall estrogen levels. And so when a woman has menstrual disorder, no matter how old she is PMS, pmdd, those types of things are caused by estrogen deficiency, and I say caused by because they don't exist in women. When you restore estrogen to certain levels And a woman does not have to be old to be estrogen deficient. One of the largest groups of people right now that are contacting me for help are women in their 20s that are not really making it into their reproductive prime. You know they still haven't developed all of their sex characteristics. People think that menopause is about old women, and women can go into menopause at any age.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because the pill actually puts them into a menopause state. Am I right?
Speaker 2:A chemical menopause, and most women really have no idea. They've never lived one day of their lives with adequate estrogen running through their blood, and so they have no idea how good they can feel. They've just been robbed of estrogen from the get-go And they're told estrogen causes cancer, and then doctors are afraid to prescribe it because they're not taught how to to keep them from doing so.
Speaker 1:Can we talk about an interesting book called Feminine Forever that's almost impossible to find now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's one of my favorite books ever written, ever written. It's hard to get a copy of. I discovered that book at the same time I was discovering the menopause prevention from a clinical perspective and for myself. And so it was happening, with me working in a hormone clinic with patients, starting my own research on this because I couldn't believe what I was witnessing in the clinic And I couldn't understand why this wasn't first-line therapy. But when I discovered this book, i couldn't believe what I was reading because this was something we were discovering in the hormone clinic, so something that a doctor discovered many, many, many years ago who was told to stop talking because he was saying you know, this is about the time they were coming out with the first mental health manual, the first DSM manual, dr Robert Wilson, feminine Forever. He said well, hold on a second, you don't need a DSM manual if you just restore estrogen. The mental illness goes away in women if you restore estrogen.
Speaker 2:And you know, they pretty much told him to shut up because he went into some sort of a contractual agreement with I believe it was Wyeth Pharmaceutical. They were trying to sell the Primeran in Prempro and they wanted to use his studies that he had done on treating patients with high dose estrogen therapy And they wanted to use his studies for Primeran. He says hold on a second. Those studies are on higher dose estrogen, not on the lower dose estrogen, and they pretty much told him to be quiet and wouldn't publish his book anymore, closed his practice in Manhattan and pulled all of the studies out of the National Library of Medicine, so you don't have access to the data that some of these doctors were able to figure out.
Speaker 2:With menopause prevention And the thing about the Feminine Forever book. He talks about his clinical experience with patients using high dose estrogen So he can say well, that's what he can say. Well, my patients, they have these conditions before I give them estrogen And then, once I get estrogen up to a certain level, these conditions no longer exist And most of those are mental illness diagnoses.
Speaker 2:And so that really intrigued me with this, mostly because of my own personal experience.
Speaker 1:When I read it. It's not formatted, so it was a little hard to read, but still I was just fascinated by it And it gave me so much hope, like wow, and this book is so old and yet it's been hidden. That is an injustice.
Speaker 2:When I found this book, i was so excited. When I was reading this book, it was about 11 o'clock at night And I called one of the doctors I worked with and the clinic. I said you're not gonna believe this, but somebody else has figured this out before us. His was one of the protocols I wanted to try Because, as you know we've talked about it I've tried every type of HRT on the market High dose, low dose. I push the boundaries of all the HRT systems to see for myself how these hormones work, and I had not done this one yet, and so I was excited. And so one of the doctors I was working with I'm like please, let's do this. And so we did. It's actually now the protocol that we use Kind of a little varied, but it's one of the best protocols for getting women enough estrogen.
Speaker 2:And that's the trick is getting a protocol that will allow estrogen to get into the bloodstream at two optimal levels and sustain it there. So, yeah, that's a really good book. If you can get your hands on a copy, your listeners will learn that menopause is indeed preventable, and the best time to start preventing it is when a woman is finished having babies, so the best time to get on a physiological protocol, which means that you condose hormones in a way that you mimic a regular, healthy menstrual cycle, month after month, without incident. A lot of women get nervous about, oh, having a period without the side effects. A menstrual cycle should be incident-free. It should just be a mere inconvenience of changing out your sanitary products. But most women don't, so they freak out. It's like, oh no, i can't, i can't, i can't do this. Like well, no, you actually haven't had enough estrogen to feel what it's like to have an incident-free period. You will feel better all the way around.
Speaker 2:Like most of my clients, their biggest complaint is I started my period and I wasn't ready And I said what do you mean? you weren't ready? I mean you knew when you were taking your progesterone. I know, but I usually get such horrible PMS symptoms that everybody knows when I've cried before. I just really don't, i didn't even know. I mean I know beyond the calendar, but I just wasn't expecting to have it just be here And that's what it's supposed to be like That's what it's supposed to be like, and I've only had a few of those in my life, yeah, most women have.
Speaker 1:It's rare, It's really rare So this book basically had me sitting on the edge of my seat And I couldn't put it down. It basically was talking about the prevention of menopause, and of course you can't continue to ovulate and have babies. That's not what he's saying. But he's saying that you can basically stop aging in a big way or slow it down. The speed at which you do age with the lack of estrogen is sad, and it ranks apart, relationships which kind of, where I wanted to take this anyway.
Speaker 1:But for someone that's married and they want to continue to have that relationship connection, sex This changes the game. It's just a game changer.
Speaker 2:It is because when you restore and maintain estrogen in the optimal range, the brain is under the impression that a woman is in a different stage of her reproductive life. And so if estrogen is maintained in the 350 to 550 range, then the brain of the woman is under the impression she's in a reproductive prime and the brain and body do not age and deteriorate in the same manner than if the woman didn't have estrogen. So low estrogen because, as you know, the hormones are messengers And so that level sends the message to the brain that I'm in my prime and I'm healthy and my job is to reproduce, even though a woman is not able to, she can't, she doesn't produce more eggs. And the same thing holds true when a woman is in her later reproductive life stage. So the low estrogen let's just say an estrogen level of even 50.
Speaker 2:Well, that sends the message to the brain that a woman is in a particular different life stage, and so the brain says, okay, i'm old. And then so the body deteriorates and declines according to that level. And how the reversal comes in is when you do restore estrogen in women and in stages stage one, two, postmenopause you can do a reversal with this For most women pretty easily where you can reverse that, where a woman is in her life, reproductive life stage, so there are her messaging now changes in her brain and body, so there is some reversal. But the goal is to not get into that decline at all with the brain and the body, because you really don't want the brain to decline and to deteriorate.
Speaker 2:You really want the mental function.
Speaker 1:You're just one step closer to disease. And here's the thing you know, i was listening to someone talk about dementia and how expensive it is. It's so stressful to the family to watch and someone's got to keep their eye on that person. And, like I mentioned, i have an aunt that's 67. She's not blood related, but you know her husband, my uncle, passed away in a car accident, So she's all alone and her kids are scattered across and they're worried about her. I'm worried about her because she's cross the country with me. She has to have a nurse watch her at all time and she likes to go for walks. Well, she can't anymore. She can't even go for walks because she'll get lost. This is so stressful and painful to watch and be a part of and it's unnecessary.
Speaker 2:Do you notice the increase of immature girl like, child like behavior that happens with old women?
Speaker 1:Yes and no. She's such a sweetheart that any child like actually, it's just cute.
Speaker 2:It's reversal with the brain. When women lose their brain, when their brain is starting to shrivel up, they become more child, like They don't have their wits about them to make decisions, and they kind of go into this deteriorating mode of being needing to be taken care of.
Speaker 1:She had lost a lot of weight very suddenly and when she told me I thought to myself that's impossible. But apparently she did lose a lot because she wasn't eating hardly anything. So it's affecting everything and I think she forgets to eat.
Speaker 2:I don't think people really understand the impact estrogen has on the brain of a woman.
Speaker 2:It really tells her her estrogen levels, to really tell her to live or die. You know, every thought, every function is dependent upon estrogen I can't even stress that enough And so most women don't realize that they have been kept from estrogen. They have to be old to be in menopause. I mean, there were some young women that just have irregular menstrual cycles and that go into premature menopause and their doctors put them on psychotropic drugs and they don't really look at you know why are you're ovaries shutting down, or this is normal? Well, it doesn't have to be.
Speaker 2:We actually have more control over how we age and decline now than we ever have, especially with if we learn to use estrogen and progesterone in a way that we can restore it, so that women's brains and bodies can be maintained in a place where it sends the signaling that she's in her reproductive prime, that she's healthy. What happens when that's the case is the body rebuilds itself. It tries to mimic that. So weight comes off, cravings go away, anxiety goes away, because the brain isn't under stress. Estrogen calms the brain more than anything. I can't emphasize estrogen in the brain enough.
Speaker 1:They say that I can't remember what the stats were, but there's so many women on an antidepressant. We all act like it's normal. It's not Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's my history, as people can read in my about page. I was one appointment away from shock therapy. I had been diagnosed at a young age with severe clinical depression. I was told I'd be depressed for the rest of my life and I would be on psychotropic drugs And I thank God I didn't go and get that shock therapy. I got on estrogen instead and it was like changing.
Speaker 2:I mean I'm 58 and I will never go into menopause in my lifetime. I mean it's just my brain and body will not go into that place. I will still age, but not in the same manner as an estrogen deficient woman My age. We have two completely different experiences of life and I can't imagine being without estrogen again. I just really can't. In fact, that's probably the one fear I have is to not have access to it. That would be a life changer for me.
Speaker 2:You know I've talked about suicide before and hormones and how people feel when they don't have hormones, and I will have a show coming up on that. But that's estrogen is a suicide preventer for women and testosterone is a suicide preventer for men, and I think if more people knew about the impact of our main sex hormones and their influence on our mental health. I think people would get very angry at the fact that it's so simple to address mental illness for the majority of people Not all. I'm not saying this fix is all, but most people benefit significantly to varying degrees depending on their overall health. When you restore main sex hormones in both men and women.
Speaker 1:I love it. Okay, we're going to talk more about this in the upcoming episodes And I know that Marie has got to get going because you've got an appointment. You're at the office right now, so you've got a patient coming in. But thanks for listening. Everyone. Look in the show notes to see where you can find her, and we're going to have a webinar for those of you that are in the health and wellness industry and you want to help your patients or your clients more lose weight. We're going to talk about weight loss in an upcoming episode, but we're holding a webinar next Thursday, the 6th. Just look in the show notes. The link will be there, and that website is hormone coach masterclasscom, if you want to sign up, and we're going to go deep. She's going to go deep into how health coaches can help their patients or clients. Thank you, marie. Bye, bye, i see you, crystal.
Speaker 2:Bye, bye.
